Find Your Voice, Change Your Life

#164 She Stood Between Her Past and Her Future—and Chose Love

Junie Moon Season 1 Episode 164

Today, I interview Junie Moon, who grew up bright and bubbly, until one look from her mother made her feel unloved. Her free spirit met a controlling household where even a glance could silence her. By eight, she had learned to dim her light just to stay safe. Being cheerful and expressive got her labeled, and rejected.

Bullied through middle school, silent in high school, Junie carried this fear of being seen well into adulthood. It shaped her relationships, her body, and her belief that her voice didn’t matter.

But something changed. A moment came when she couldn’t stay quiet any longer—not for herself, and not for the person she loved most. That moment set her on the path to healing.

Today, Junie helps women uncover the hidden fears that silence them and teaches them how to build trust in themselves again, so they can speak up, show up, and call in lasting love.

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Junie Moon is the CEO of Midlife Love Out Loud, a Global Love Mentor, bestselling author, women’s empowerment leader, and Certified Shadow Work® Coach. For over 30 years, she has helped thousands of women claim their birthright: the freedom to love themselves without apology, and attract lifelong, soul-aligned love because of it.

Her work is grounded in transformation from the inside out. Junie guides women in midlife on a powerful journey of self-discovery, where the focus isn’t just on finding a partner—it’s about building deep self-trust, confidence, and inner alignment. When women feel whole and safe in their own skin, the love they’ve been longing for begins to arrive with ease.

She’s been featured on News 12 New Jersey, Blog Talk Radio, Thrive Global, and Authority Magazine. Her short film Shed the Shame, which she produced and starred in, was featured at Newark International. Junie is the international bestselling author of Loving the Whole Package: Shed the Shame and Live Life Out Loud, an award-winning speaker, and the host of the Midlife Love Out Loud podcast. She’s shared the stage with John Gray, Marci Shimoff, Sheri Winston, and other leading voices in the field of personal growth.

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Find Your Voice, Change Your Life Podcast

Podcast Host: Dr. Doreen Downing

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Episode # 164 Junie Moon

“She Stood Between Her Past and Her Future—and Chose Love”

 

(00:00) Doreen Downing: Hi, this is Dr. Doreen Downing, host of the Find Your Voice, Change Your Life podcast. What an opportunity I get in meeting new people all the time who have something really valuable. They've had a story, they've had experiences and challenges that they bring to their work, and I get to not only hear about their current passion, but I get to hear about—well, who were they before they got so passionate about what they do now?

I will be introducing you today to a new friend, Junie Moon. Hi, Junie.

Junie Moon: Hi. Happy to be your new friend.

Doreen Downing: Yes. These conversations that are spontaneous feel like we're sitting down for a cup of tea and getting to know each other more deeply.

Yes. By just opening up this space to listen to each other—and yes, it is mostly me listening to you and asking you—but it is also an opportunity for you to shine. So, thank you.

I am going to read a bio that I have here, so people get to know you right away—some of what you are doing currently.

Junie Moon is CEO of Midlife Love Out Loud, global love mentor and bestselling author, certified shadow work coach. For over 30 years, she has helped thousands of women break free from self-doubt and claim their birthright to love themselves fully and live unapologetically.

Junie guides midlife women to release old patterns, build deep self-trust, and attract next level love from a place of confidence and wholeness. Her work goes beyond dating advice. It is about becoming the woman who naturally calls in lasting love.

She has been featured on News 12 New Jersey, Thrive Global, Authority Magazine, and is the award-winning author of Loving the Whole Package: Shed the Shame and Live Life Out Loud.

She also hosts the Midlife Love Out Loud podcast and has shared the stage with thought leaders like John Gray and Marci Shimoff, and other thought leaders.

Wow, Junie, sounds like you are a groundbreaking thought leader yourself.

(02:47) Junie Moon: Thank you. Thank you. Yes. I have been busy.

(02:51) Doreen Downing: Yes.

(02:52) Junie Moon: I have been doing some things.

(02:54) Doreen Downing: Busy. Yes. I think that is a good way to start our process today in opening up. We did not come into this life all busy, you know? We just came in as fresh little girls saying, "Hello, world."

I always like to start way back then—what did you come into? What was that early life experience? Because in my point of view as a psychologist, that is where some of those imprints are around who you are, who you think you are, and what you believe about yourself and life and what is possible.

(03:34) Junie Moon: Yes, one hundred percent. That is exactly how I view it as well.

Well, I came into this world very happy. Happy disposition, bubbly, free-spirited. Yes, just really loving life.

I had a mom who kind of had some control issues and would have a look that would make me feel inadequate or unloved. I learned at a very young age I had to be very careful. I learned I needed to look a certain way or be a certain way, otherwise the kids would not like me because the happy-go-lucky teacher’s pet was not flying so well.

Things started to shift around eight years old. I was just being really careful, and I really pulled back.

Then middle school—challenging. Really challenging with the bullying. By the time I got to high school, I did not even raise my hand in class. I was so afraid to be seen. I was so afraid to stand out and be mocked or embarrassed.

The early part—I would run around the neighborhood and just be happy-go-lucky. Then the more conscious I got and the more I looked at my surroundings and the people in it, I wanted to fit in. I did not want to be judged. I did not want to be criticized. I did not want to lose love.

All of that set me up to being very careful for a long period of time after.

(05:14) Doreen Downing: Oh, thank you for that intro. It is very descriptive, and I really see already the bright spirit that you are today. You and I have had some conversations, so it is really great to see that that is what you came in with. This beautiful, bright, energetic light.

What you are also talking about—it feels like, and the listeners can relate, I am sure—is the kind of constriction that a family, parents, society puts on our bright spirits, and what then happens to us. It sounds like for you it was more of an, “Okay, I am going to learn something here about how I need to be and how I need to show up, and I am going to be quiet and hold myself back.” Interesting. Is it not amazing that we figure things out so early?

(06:16) Junie Moon: Yes, absolutely. As I share, we are born with this part of us that wants to survive. This is old stuff. Many, many, many moons ago when we were tribal, if we got kicked out of the tribe, we did not survive. So, we are born into this life with these survival instincts.

I always joke and say, you might be having the greatest sex in your life, but if the house is burning down, you are going to get out of the house. We want to make sure we do not get kicked out of the tribe. However, it often overshoots. We cut off aspects of who we are, and we put it in shadow. We go, “Well, I better not be bubbly and bright because people are picking on me. Let me throw it away in the shadows and not look at it and just be quiet. Just dim my light. Let me just fit in and be what other people want.”

That serves us well up to a point when we are little because we are vulnerable, we need our parents, and we do not want to be picked on. However, I brought it into my adulthood, which is what most of us do until we wake up and go, “I am jumping through a lot of hoops here. I am giving myself away. I am not speaking my truth. I have this mean inner critic that tells me I am not good enough, has me working so hard, and trying to prove how great I am. I am exhausted. And now I am done.”

But we do not necessarily know how to dial back and clean up all the messaging we picked up along the way. I call that programming. Until we know how to release that, which is what happened to me, I found this body of work called Shadow Work, and it was mind-blowing.

Here I was, 200 pounds at the time, thinking I had a food problem, thinking I was not good enough to get my needs met or to speak my truth. I walked on eggshells in my marriage, so I could fit in, so that I could be loved, so I would not be alone. Then I found out that all of these strategies to make sure I was safe, was just me trying to not get kicked out of the tribe.

That is when this work helped me reverse it and heal it, so that I could lower the volume of the inner critic and know my value, know my worth, speak my truth, stand my ground, and move into healthy relationships. Because I know how to do that now, and have the most amazing man on the frigging planet. That is why I help others do that now as well.

(09:08) Doreen Downing: Fabulous. Well, before we get into the details of shadow work and the waking up that you did because a lot of people do not, and that is partly what I do here, is to help people see that maybe they might still be trapped in what you talked about.

It feels like a trap, this kind of looking good. And yes, that inner voice that is mean and critical, saying, “You better or else.” There was something that you just did, and I think it has to do with how to do this waking up in your voice. If we dial back just about a minute, there was a compassionate tone in your voice toward the little one who did not want to be kicked out of the tribe or who wanted to belong.

It seemed like she had some value, and the only way to keep that value was to fit in. I noticed that. That self-compassion, it reached me. It is something my listeners could really tune into if they go back a couple of minutes and hear that shift.

(10:24) Junie Moon: I love that you brought that up. Because when I talk about the work that I do, there are so many aspects to it, and the broad stroke is deep self-compassion.

That is why the tagline of my book is Shed the Shame. When we can truly love ourselves and realize we did the best we could, and that we were wired, to some extent, to survive, to make these choices, to play it safe, that we really did the best we could for these reasons... and to not rake ourselves over the coals when we do make a mistake or drop something.

To really listen to how we speak to ourselves, we can truly go, “Oh honey, of course you are scared. Of course you do not want to be alone. Of course this is uncomfortable for you.” And then, when you get the tools to know that you are worthy of so much more, that is when things shift.

So I am glad you caught that. Because as little kids, we were vulnerable. We really did what we needed to do to get us to this point. Right now, it is just that some of the old strategies are working against us and not helping us have the life we desire or the relationships that we want.

(11:47) Doreen Downing: Yes. The life we desire and the relationships. We are going to be talking about that in a few minutes. But before I move on in your story, I know you mentioned your mother, I know you mentioned bullying and what that was like.

If you have some story specifically that shows you being scared around speaking up—anything that might come up that has a time, a place, a story behind it—anything?

(12:18) Junie Moon: Oh my God, there are a million. I mean, the terror I had of speaking up and sharing what was going on inside of me. I was really, really scared.

Do you want more of the childhood thing, or just anything?

(12:33) Doreen Downing: Whatever pops for you now. I know that people like to hear the scene, you know?

(12:38) Junie Moon: Yes, no, I think it is a great question. I love the question. I am going to go to my marriage, just because.

(12:43) Doreen Downing: Okay.

(12:45) Junie Moon: It was just so painful to not speak up. We had a child, and he was challenging, and it is a long story there, but he needed a lot of support. And my ex, who I was married to, was a bully. He just had such an aggressive way about him, and I was scared of him.

I was scared to say, “Hey, that is not okay.” I was scared to even ask to get my own needs met in that marriage—forget about my son. I was afraid of rocking the boat. I was afraid that if I actually spoke up, not only would I have that aggression come toward me, which, of course, would be a smart move to avoid, and not that he would ever physically hurt me, but that aggression with his words was really scary.

In those moments, that conflict of him yelling at me, or me asking for something and then having that energy come toward me, had me feel so alone. I felt so disconnected from him, and that felt very uncomfortable. “Will we break up? Will he leave me?” Now I look back and have so much compassion for the part of me that was so scared to rock the boat. Ultimately, I just did not know I could, in a healthy way. I did not know I could speak up in a clean way, in a way that I could be heard, in a way that could have potentially brought us even closer together if I had these tools.

But yes, the price I paid for holding down my voice was I ate a lot of food to soothe myself. That was my friend. That was my go-to: let me just eat a lot of food. Not speaking up was my way of playing it safe, but the price I paid was really, really painful.

I will say that once I started doing the shadow work, and really, for myself, got my mentor and started doing the work for myself, things changed. I remember this one moment, and this is a great little story.

My son was getting bullied in school, just like I was. How horrible for my kid and let alone me having to relive it too. My son was about 12 years old, and he came home after a day of being bullied and started getting bullied by his dad. I stood there, freezing like I used to, but then I remembered what I was learning in shadow work.

I stood between the two of them and I said, “Enough. Time out. We need to stop this right now.” I felt empowered and strong. I protected my kid in a way I had never been able to before. I was already starting to protect myself, but I was able to really stand in front of my kid and say, “Yes. This is stopping right now.”

There are no words. I was so grateful. So grateful. And that is why I do the work I do. Because when we do not feel empowered, when we feel like we do not have a choice, when we feel like we cannot really speak up—it is crushing to the soul.

We do not get to express our truth, our essence. And how does that translate into deep intimacy? There is not any. Because we are on guard all the time. So that is why I knew I had to do this work.

(16:19) Doreen Downing: Oh wow. My whole body is tingling because you were so strong and so powerful in that moment where it was. This is never going to be the same again. Because you just stood up and said no in such a powerful way.

You deeply got it. It came from a deep place, and it was obviously heard. Oh yes, because you guarded. They talk about the mother lion.

(16:52) Junie Moon: She woke up. The mama bear was there.

(16:56) Doreen Downing: She was there. Wonderful.

(16:58) Junie Moon: One of the things is—and we will not go too much into this—but his dad, my ex, told me like a parent would, “Do not ever throw me under the bus in front of him.” Sometimes the two of them would be at it, and my ex would be acting in such an immature way, such bad behavior. I would say, “Guys, guys, come on. Let’s chill out.”

But he saw that as undermining his authority, and he said, “If you need to talk to me, you talk to me offline.” So, I had taken that information from the “parent,” so to speak, but then I took my power back. I was like, “Yo. Not cool. Not cool.”

(17:34) Doreen Downing: That was pretty clear. For those who are only listening and did not get to watch what Junie just did, what he did to her was put his finger up like this and shake it, wag it.

(17:56) Junie Moon: I got shagged.

(17:56) Doreen Downing: Before I ask this important question about the waking up in shadow work, I am going to take a quick break.

Hi, we are back with Junie Moon, who has already led us into deep understanding about what it is like to start out in a life where you feel like you are not seen and heard and appreciated. You have to kind of squeeze yourself into something that you are not in order to suffer losses.

And we are now back. Thank you.

Where we were is this waking up and this empowering moment when you found your voice and were able to intervene on behalf of somebody you love so much, which was your son. We talked about the mama bear coming out and spreading her arms.

But before that, you said this was already a time when you were doing work with yourself. Where was the moment—I mean, I know we do not usually just wake up, though oftentimes that is true—how would you describe your waking up to the fact that you were trapped in a pattern and wanted to find yourself, your voice, and live a life that was more fulfilling?

(19:26) Junie Moon: I wish I could say there was a moment, but there were lots of moments, lots of mini wakeups. I guess the biggest wake-up call, though, was when I hit 200 pounds. I'm five foot three, and I hit 200 pounds, and my body was in so much pain.

I had gone up and down the scale, 40, 50 pounds at a time so many times. Like I said, I thought I had a food problem. I knew there was something else going on. I knew I was unhappy. I knew I was so full of stress and micromanaging everything.

Then this body of work showed up. It was a blessing. I was at an event, I went into a workshop. It was profound. This woman was doing the shadow work, but she did not even call it shadow work. I asked her what it was, and the rest is history.

That was the time period of just so much self-hatred. Such a huge inner critic. I was really uncomfortable in my body. But there were lots of moments.

I was an actress in my twenties, and the terror of going on stage—sometimes they would have to hold the show because I was afraid to be seen. I wanted to do a presentation but I was so terrified of speaking in public.

There were all these moments of, "What’s wrong with me?" But ultimately, the biggest thing was when I hit 200 pounds, and I just saw through this body of work what was really going on inside of me.

Yes, the relationship was dysfunctional. Yes, he’s a piece of work. And I brought my chips to the party.

(21:09) Doreen Downing: Yes. You’re so funny. I think so. I mean, you really make interviewing a fun experience for me. Thank you.

It is so fascinating. I’m with you every step of the way—listening and being in your experience.

I want to know something about—because I’m a psychologist, I love shadow work and I know what it is, but I think listeners do not. So maybe a brief explanation, because we do not have a lot of time. But since it is part of your work and what you do, I think it would be good to hear: What is shadow work?

(21:47) Junie Moon: Thank you, because there's a lot of people running around saying they're doing shadow work. There's different ways of doing shadow work. Let's start with, just real quickly, what the shadow is. It's a Jungian term, and the shadow is the part of us that we want to hide, a part of us that we feel shame around, or we just do not want to be. Like, "I never want to be like that person," or, "I never want to have this quality."

It doesn't have to be bad qualities either. It's like, "I don't want to be too bright and bubbly, so let me dim my light and just be more contained." The shadow is a part of us that we've lost access to in some way, and we then act in a different way, probably the opposite way in some way, but we can't really contain it. It comes out sideways. You say, "I'm never going to be angry," but then you blow. Or, "I'm never going to be vulnerable," but then you spill over on people. It's not contained.

This body of work I'm trained in is from Shadow Work Seminars with Cliff Barry and Mary Ellen Wallen. I'm licensed in it. There are special processes to help people see what's in shadow. Anything that's in shadow, we can have a sense of it, but those are usually the blind spots. Those are the places in our life that we don't actually notice, because we said we'd never be like that. We're trying to be the good little girl or the people pleaser, but underneath it is the fear of actually saying, "Hey, I don't like this," or, "I want this." There are so many different nuances.

Shadow work, from my perspective and training, is shining a light on the unconscious mind, on the places that people don't necessarily know they've lost access to. Typically people have patterns or challenges in their life, and behaviors that they wish they would change. Like my food, you know. Or continuing relationships with narcissists, or whatever it is. "Why do I keep doing this? Why do I keep sabotaging?"

Typically the reason is in the unconscious mind, and there are beliefs associated. Shadow work helps us shine a light on those parts, bring them into light, so we can do the healing, so we can really be an integrated, conscious human being by reclaiming all of who we are. Shadow and light.

How was that?

(24:22) Doreen Downing: Yes. I was thinking, as you were talking, especially in the work that I do and with people who do not want to look at what is behind, or the pain, or what they have tucked away. I was just thinking about the light.

This is what I like to tell listeners, I guess based on what you just said: the light does not have to be a neon light. It could be a candlelight, right? Let’s just bring something in so you can see, which would be increasing your awareness and being more conscious of what is behind you. The shadow is yours. It is not mine. Yes, one shines on me. There is my shadow right there.

I love the invitation—this idea that, hey folks, it does not have to be a bright light yet. But let’s just open the space and peek in and go, “Hello in there. I am not going to go away.”

(25:24) Junie Moon: I see you. Exactly. It does not have to be scary either. A lot of people go, “Oh my God, this sounds intense, we’re looking at shadows. Ah!”

I always say it is like the kid in the bedroom in the middle of the night who goes, “Mommy, Mommy!” screaming, “There’s a monster under my bed!” Mom turns on the light and looks under the bed and says, “Come on, let’s look under the bed.” By turning on the light, you get to see what is really there.

It is way more scary to not know what is under the bed. It is way more scary to not be in the driver’s seat and have your shadows in the driver’s seat. That is typically what happens. If we are not aware of the patterns underneath, the fears underneath, the shame underneath, we are going to be acting in a certain way that may not be in our highest and best. It often spills out into all our relationships.

If we really want healthy partnership and healthy relationships with everyone—children, families, coworkers—we need to know who we are and what is going on inside of us. We need to get back into the driver’s seat. We shine the light on so that you can have access to all parts of you.

By choice. It does not mean you have to be everything, but you now get a choice to go, “Oh, I am going to be like this,” or, “I am not going to be like this but I choose,” versus the shadow saying, “Oh yeah, you are going to just be the people pleaser, and that is it.” Things like that.

(26:56) Doreen Downing: Okay. I have a little example, and this leads to your work around relationships and finding love. I would say that early on—with abandonment, a mother that went into a hospital, and a dad that remarried and left—I was with grandma, and I made a decision to not let anybody get close, because they were going to leave.

That is what I carried deep into my life. It was not really shadow work, but in a way it was, because I was looking at myself, becoming more aware of, “How come I am 30, 40, 50, and still not have a loving relationship in my life?” Hello.

My heart was—and even my girlfriends, when I was 40 years old, I had four of them who were all there and told the story of how hard it was to get close to me. I was the little-by-little, bit-by-bit that you are talking about in terms of waking up. That, “Oh gee, I am holding love away from me.”

This idea that—“Oh, Doreen, no wonder. No wonder you are not calling in a healthy, loving relationship. It is because you have closed yourself off.”

To come into this part of your work—opening up to how to heal ourselves, knowing ourselves...and I think healing has a lot to do with looking at the kinds of things you have just talked about. Understanding yourself and facing your own fear of being—well, for mine it was my vulnerable part being loved, but somebody was going to go away.

I did not want to risk that. So that was my, “Oh, poor me” kind of—oh, little one, scared.

In terms of working with somebody like I was, what would you... because that is your work—helping people find lasting love.

(29:03) Junie Moon: Yes, I had a similar thing. My dad died when I was 14, so I had a huge fear of being left alone, and I became the independent queen. I also had a big challenge with opening up and being vulnerable.

We ask what it is that you want—we start there. The North Star. What would be the ideal scenario? “I really want a partner. I really want to have that deep connection and friendship.” Paint the picture. Then, what is the challenge? “I’m terrified. All my relationships have had this aspect,” or, “I’ve been left,” or, “I’ve been whatever.” What is the big fear? What is it that you do not want to create again?

Then we whittle it down. What are the patterns? What are the challenges? Everybody is going to have their own thing. Ultimately, we get down to fear. We all have the fear. The fear that something bad is going to happen.

Depending on what the fear is—fear of abandonment or fear of loss—we need to bolster up the person to know that they are safe, that they can trust themselves, that they can open and live, and it is worth it. That they can reveal and let somebody in and take that risk.

I use the word “risk” because everything is a risk. Opening up our heart is a risk. Speaking our truth is a risk. Going for our dreams is a risk. I just feel like, “Yes, yes, yes. So, go.”

We work with this part called the Risk Manager—this part inside of us that is kind of going, “Ooh, this looks dangerous. This is risky.” That part tends to go full blast and shuts things down—like our voice, like our hearts.

Depending on what the person reveals, for example, abandonment, trust issues, or a vulnerable part, we work there. Step by step, we move that needle so that the person can feel solid and supported. What does support look like within themselves? Instead of looking outside-in, it is resourcing. It is agency. It is going inside and knowing that you will be taken care of. That does not come from the head, it comes from the body.

That is just one way. Depending on what is presented as the challenge, we begin to reveal: this is what happened, this is the pattern, this is the fear. Then we start to shift and heal the part that got injured, got wounded. The belief system, “I’m not good enough,” “I’m not lovable,” “I’m not worthy of this,” “Who do I think I am?” I call it the “Not-Good-Enough-Itis” syndrome.

Once we get a clue about the core wounding, we can start to shift it and help people experience real transformation, solid empowerment, and the ability to have whatever kind of relationship they want. But the relationship starts with themselves.

That is where people really get messed up, in my opinion. Everybody is thinking outside-in: “Let me get the right person. Let me find the right person.” The right person is you.

(32:41) Doreen Downing: Say that again. I love it. I love it. Say that again.

(32:44) Junie Moon: Oh, let’s see. I think this is where people get it wrong. I see it all the time. People are like, “I'm not finding the right person. They're this, they're that, they're this, they're that.”

Ultimately, how I view it is they have not found the right person within themselves. When people can get aligned and really know who they are and have their own back and fill up their own cup, then the right person comes. Because you will match them, and you will not go to the person that is not a right match, because it is not going to feel good to you.

I always say, start with yourself. Become your own soulmate. And then magic happens. Everybody around you shifts, and the person you desire shows up. Maybe not overnight, but who cares? You are having a great life because now you have yourself, and you are not feeling empty or alone or challenged. It is just a different way of looking at it.

(33:44) Doreen Downing: Oh yes, I loved it. I felt like I was standing up and applauding when you said the right person is yourself.

(33:51) Junie Moon: Yes, it is. Thankfully, the women that come to me to work with me, they know that that is what they need. They know it is not another dating app. They know it is not another relationship fix. It is working within themselves, within their hearts, within their self-esteem, with their boundaries, whatever it is.

We heal. Healing is possible. If I can stay in the same size body for over 20 years, if I can find the man of my dreams, if I can speak my truth and speak to many thousands of people without my fear the way it used to be, if I can do it, anybody can do it. So, there is certainly hope for everybody.

(34:38) Doreen Downing: Well, we are coming to the end, and I think you mentioned you had a gift you would like to pass on. We will put it in the show notes. What is that?

(34:48) Junie Moon: Oh, I am so glad to offer something I normally do not, but we were talking before and I thought—so much of finding our voice and finding ourselves is quieting the inner critic, understanding the inner critic, and then quieting it.

People want to get rid of it, but it actually serves you. We just do not want it to be so loud. We want you to feel empowered and strong while it is next to you, kind of going, “Maybe you might want to look at that next time.”

I have this guidebook—it is 10 Steps to Quiet Your Inner Critic. Or I should say tame your inner critic. Tame your inner critic.

It is a very powerful guidebook. I always encourage people to print it out and do it, because it is a really powerful process so that you can feel in alignment and befriend your inner critic—so you can have the life that you want. You can have the relationships you want. It is a really great first step and a very powerful first step.

(35:54) Doreen Downing: Great. Thank you for the offer. We are at the end, and I always like to open it up just to see what might want to come through in terms of you closing our time together.

(36:08) Junie Moon: We do not know what we do not know—until we do. I love that you asked that question. This was not planned.

While we are talking about the unconscious, while we are talking about the shadows, there is just so much we do not know about ourselves. I truly, truly, truly know in my heart of hearts that there is only so much we can learn on our own, and there is nothing like having somebody with a flashlight to help you see some of the things that are in shadow.

You do not know what you do not know. So, if you are struggling or suffering, relax into the fact that maybe there is just something you cannot see—and that is okay. Then find out what it is. Because when you do, then you have a choice. And that is freeing.

(36:59) Doreen Downing: Yes. That is self-discovery, which leads to self-empowerment. Thank you so much, Junie, for being my guest today.

(37:06) Junie Moon: Oh, my pleasure. Thank you so much. You are an amazing host. Really appreciate our time.

(37:11) Doreen Downing: Thank you.